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Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby Matthew Mitchell » June 15th, 2010, 10:41 pm

In other words, the the universe a system which with predictable future states from the current states or are there elements of true randomness that allows the universe to go down many paths from one state and is henceforth impossible to accurately predict?

I think it may be non-deterministic. Order is kept because some things are much more likely than other things. It's much more likely for the universe to stay together than it is to suddenly explode for example but there could be a very small possibility that the universe ends at any moment.

Quantum theory suggests the universe in non-deterministic. Quantum fluctuations can cause massive destruction or for whole new universes to be created. Quantum fluctuations vary in size, are completely random but based on probability (proportional to the size I can only assume) and happen all over the place.
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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby soni2295 » June 16th, 2010, 4:09 am

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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby Fenrirlupus » June 27th, 2010, 10:14 pm

Here's a more important question: does it matter?

Quite honestly, if we can't tell, there is no real difference. If you let yourself get depressed about the concept of determinism and there is no such thing, you're ruining your life. Otherwise, you were predetermined to... well... ruin your life.
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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby Matthew Mitchell » June 28th, 2010, 12:13 am

You shouldn't let it annoy you but it's still interesting nonetheless.
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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby Fenrirlupus » July 20th, 2010, 1:11 am

Matthew Mitchell wrote:You shouldn't let it annoy you but it's still interesting nonetheless.

I don't consider it interesting because there's no way to test wether or not it is...
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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby soni2295 » July 21st, 2010, 5:19 am

i have the answer for this and another qestions but i wont share it with you.
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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby Fenrirlupus » July 25th, 2010, 6:20 am

soni2295 wrote:i have the answer for this and another qestions but i wont share it with you.

Good for you.
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Re: Is the universe deterministic or non-deterministic.

Postby Matthew Mitchell » July 25th, 2010, 8:38 pm

Fenrirlupus wrote:
Matthew Mitchell wrote:You shouldn't let it annoy you but it's still interesting nonetheless.

I don't consider it interesting because there's no way to test wether or not it is...


How do you know that? If we know how something should work and we can measure the result to a 1005 accuracy, all we need to do if find unexpected fluctuations in the result to suggest there are slightly random events.
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